A: Today I’m chatting to Eve Kalanick, an author, nutritional therapist, and someone I’ve been aware of for many years. I have often sent clients to her for support with their skin and health, and she’s one of those exceptional human beings, with a kind energy and immense knowledge of gut health.

We first met physically a few weeks ago when Eve came in for a facial for her podcast. It’s crazy that we’ve only just met as our lives and careers have crossed extensively over a decade. When I think of Eve, balance springs to mind, food inclusivity, no extremes, just a passion for helping people, all of which resonate with me.

So welcome Eve.

E: It’s so lovely to be on your podcast. What a lovely introduction as well. Thank you so much.

A: It’s a pleasure. I don’t send my skin clients to people lightly. If someone comes to me for skin issues, I have to trust who I’m referring them to, because the client trusts me. I know there are many people with nutritional qualifications that may not have your integrity or get the results that you do.

So, you have my trust in nutrition. I know I’ve given you an introduction, and of course people could google you, but I love to ask guests to tell me their story in a nutshell, in your own words. So, tell us about you.

E: Well, nutrition wasn’t my first career. I first worked in the fashion industry and editorial industry for 13 years, before I retrained and became a nutritional therapist and functional medical practitioner.

The fashion industry was anything but naturopathic as a career. I’m sure you’ve had many clients that work in that industry and seen the effects of that chronic stress on their skin. To cut a long story short, it was probably more intense in those last five years of working in the industry, because as you gain experience, you get bigger jobs. Of course, it was an amazing career. I saw the world, met incredible people, and I definitely think it’s helped me build a thicker skin and resilience. So there are lots of positives I can take from it.

But essentially, the lifestyle is not conducive to one that will support your health and wellbeing in the long term. Certainly not in the way I was coping with it or not, as the case may be. I started to get recurrent kidney infections, to the point where it was almost a monthly occurrence of either a UTI or kidney infection.

Over the course of about six to seven years, I was taking antibiotics every month. It got to the point where I took them every day. I was taking a prophylactic dose to stave off another infection. Of course, now we know the catastrophic effects of antibiotics, but there wasn’t so much knowledge about them. Essentially, the prolonged use of antibiotics was making my immune system weaker and weaker. I became more susceptible to the infection, and so I got into this vicious cycle. Now, as a specialist in gut health, I feel like gut health found me, rather than the other way around, because with that enormous amount of antibiotics, my gut was all over the place.

As we know now, antibiotics are like a grenade to the gut microbiome, which are all the bugs that live in our gut. I had digestive issues, immune system issues, and was completely exhausted. I went to see a lot of people desperate to get myself out of this vicious cycle, and they were not helpful at all. Some were incredibly wacky; I’ve basically done and seen it all, honestly. At the end of it, I actually found a functional medical practitioner who was more of a specialist in nutritional therapy. He ran some functional tests on me, which is what I now do in my practice.

He basically said, ‘Look, your guts are all over the place, your immune system is shot to shit, for want of a better expression, and your adrenals are on the floor, so no wonder you can’t fight off another infection.’ So it was a slow process, and I say this to many of my clients too. Healing is not necessarily a linear process.

Because in our fast-paced lifestyles, where everything’s go, go, go, it’s really hard to switch off and do that. When animals are injured, they lie down until they heal, but we don’t do that, we just keep going. I think a lot of these things happen for a reason, and it set me on a pathway, then to retraining and wanting to do what this person had done for me, for other people, and shake up the system a bit. 

A: Like you said, I’ve had many clients from the fashion industry, and it’s fast-paced, it’s quite hedonistic, it’s quite a party industry, although I know that’s not the only industry that is like that. I think some of my most challenging skins are probably females in the legal world and finance world. Again, it’s the fast-paced stress, and the crazy hours, so there are similarities in those kinds of things. When you first went to your GP and started on this rollercoaster of medication, did anyone, at any point, question your gut health? Or when they were giving you medication and you were continuing to get worse, did anyone along that journey actually say, ‘Hold on a minute, maybe this isn’t working for you’? Or did you have to do the research and step outside of that method of medicine?

E: There’s a couple of things that I want to circle back to; I’m not anti-antibiotics, they’re lifesaving medications. We are very lucky that great minds have worked hard to create some of these medicines that keep us alive. Where it becomes an issue is the chronic use of them for things that aren’t necessary.

With my particular story, and this is true for a lot of women who go into their GP practice, GPs are very stretched for time. If you describe classic UTI symptoms, the first thing they’re going to do is give you an antibiotic, because the last thing they want is for it to progress into a kidney infection.

So what happens is that they rarely do a culture on the urine, and if they do a culture on the urine, it doesn’t always come back with a bacterial strain showing, and that was chronically my case. So they kept saying I didn’t have a UTI, but I had all the symptoms of a UTI. After a period, I was referred to urologists, and they were going to stretch my bladder. I also got diagnosed with something called interstitial cystitis, which is basically where they’re not sure what causes the bladder infection symptoms.

Nobody at any point said anything negative about antibiotics or taking them prophylactically. Medicine is the tool they’re given, so I understand why that’s the case. Ultimately, I didn’t want to be in pain, and they didn’t want to see me in pain. So there’s no blame here, but I just think the bigger picture is not taken into consideration. Not once did they talk to me about my gut health or anything like that. There was definitely not a holistic picture, but that’s just how medicine works.

That being said, I don’t feel like doctors are responsible for our health and wellbeing. I know that is a bold statement, but I think we all need to start taking responsibility for our bodies. I understand that while doctors are there to help you, it’s your body, and you also need to ‘Do the work.’ We can’t expect a doctor to answer everything, because they can’t. Particularly a GP, they’re a practitioner. While there’s a responsibility, I think culturally, we tend to say, “The doctor will fix it for me”. I just think we need to think more about taking some personal accountability there.

A: That’s a really good point. I’m presuming you see that in your practice, because I know I do when I’m treating skin. Someone might come to me with a skin issue, and they’re expecting that one magic product or treatment is going to fix them. But it’s probably taken many years, situations, health things or whatever it is to present as it is.

I think that’s a key point with all aspects of health. That’s how health things crop up, but we have to take a bit of that on ourselves to get the results that we do. You obviously did that, and you went down a rabbit hole. 

E: I did, but I did have a lot of help. I did seek out help. When I say, ‘Take ownership and responsibility,’ I don’t mean they have to fix it themselves necessarily. That’s why we have medical practitioners, and it’s not to be dismissive of that, but rather to consider what else is going on in your life.

Nobody talked to me about my stress levels, my sleep, or my nutrition, or anything like that. We know that, cumulatively, all those things impact on our health and wellbeing and the way our immune system is functioning. If somebody said to me, ‘Your job is making you unwell,’ which is the conclusion I came to myself, even though I worked on those areas in my life that I hadn’t maybe focused on as much before.

I think it’s a multifactorial approach, but sometimes it’s hard for people to work on ourselves when we’re in ourselves, and sometimes you need that objective opinion. But of course, you need to step up. You can’t delegate this work, because it’s your body at the end of the day, and we only have one body. We understand more than anybody else on the planet, how our own body works and functions. Sometimes we get disconnected from it. That can be because of a combination of reading things online that are not factually correct, and marketers pushing products on us that they think we need, to make us feel or look better. I think by nature of society, we are disconnected from our food, from each other, and this is why it’s important to make sure we compensate for that.

A: You mentioned you had some functional tests done. Tell us about those, what comes under the umbrella of functional tests?

E: Functional medicine is basically a hybrid of traditional and naturopathic medicine founded in the US initially. So, many medical doctors would go down this route, which means the tests are a bit more comprehensive than something that you might get from your doctor. For instance, things like comprehensive stool analysis, those are not things that you would necessarily get through your GP or even a gastroenterologist. I also did saliva-based hormone tests, because blood hormone tests can be crude. You can take a blood test at one point in the day, and then have a completely different result at another point in the day. Saliva tests can give us more of a nuanced reading of that, which is what we need when looking at hormones. There are lots of tests that you can run, but I did the comprehensive gut test and the saliva hormone test.

A: So, slightly different question, what does health mean to you?

E: I think the thing is that a more modern philosophy of health is that it is the absence of disease, but I don’t feel that that’s really health. I think it’s about feeling at your optimum, whether physically, mentally, or emotionally, and I try to achieve that with my clients. Although I’m getting more clients now coming to me and saying they want to optimise their health, more often than not, there are specific symptoms and conditions that they want to address.

Sometimes they’ll mention something in the consultation, like, ‘By the way, I don’t sleep very well,’ and I’ll tell them that we need to work on that. So, I think we need to think about health from many facets, looking at it as a holistic framework. I’m a big fan of referrals for that reason, because I think you need to build a solid team around you, and it doesn’t necessarily need to be expensive.

Just to return to the functional tests, these are not necessarily available to everybody because they’re not cheap. It is important to work with the right practitioner that can meet you at where you are financially and emotionally. Sometimes people are not emotionally ready to take steps, there’s sometimes a lot of undoing of things that they’ve learned often through Google or social media.  The right practitioner should meet you where you are, on many levels. With the health side of things, I think it’s about how you can feel the best in yourself, rather than thinking about it as the absence of disease.

A: I know I’ve experienced this quite a lot, where if I’m doing a consultation and talking about skin, I always need to know what they’re eating, and they’ll often brush over it and say, ‘Yes, yes, my diet’s really healthy,’ and I have to ask them to elaborate. I’m presuming you must see people who feel their diet is healthy, but they’re suffering and struggling in a certain way is, is that something you come up against, and is there a battle trying to re-educate them?

E: Totally. But nutrition has become so confusing now, and even I find that. It’s great that we are learning more about it and that science and data are developing. Now we can see a lean towards more specific personalised nutrition, but what does a ‘healthy diet’ mean? That could be completely different for you versus somebody else. I see people cutting out a lot of foods and seeing that as a healthy thing, because they may have self-diagnosed certain intolerances.

Anyone that follows me knows that I’m not a fan of that. I come from a positive nutrition focus. My goal is to expand clients’ diets, not limit them, or unless it’s necessary, because I think that we miss out on a lot of nutrition based on hearsay.

So they end up cutting out a whole load of foods based on the fact that they may have an ‘intolerance’. I talk a lot about the quality of our food, because I think that’s where the conversation needs to be focused. It’s not about foods, foods do not have moralistic values, end of conversation. There are not good foods or bad foods, food is just food. But I do think we need to have a conversation about the quality of our food. For example, bread, a whole grain loaf that is seemingly healthy, is actually not; it’s full of preservative chemicals, and moreover the processing that that loaf of bread has gone through.

I try to educate clients about that and teach them that bread isn’t bad for you, but supermarket bread is not bread, it’s not what we were eating for millennia. That bread is not made through a slow fermentation process. The slow fermentation process gobbles up a lot of the proteins, like gluten, that you think are contributing to your symptoms.

I think that quality of food is something we need to be talking about, rather than tracking macros, as a lot of apps are promoting. I think those are entirely toxic actually. In the first season of our podcast, we did an episode about that; I had to do it, and it was so time consuming and so dysfunctional. So, quality is where we need to focus really.

A: It’s interesting that many people were told the Mediterranean diet is a good thing to follow, but there’s a load of bread and pasta involved in that. But it’s a healthier, pure version than some of the Western world’s fast, processed foods.

So if you’re going to have butter, have proper butter, if you’re going to have milk, have full-fat organic milk. On your website and social media, you have such an array of recipes. Looking through it, I can see that there’s pasta, cake, there’s everything on there, which isn’t necessarily what you’d expect at first.

Where have your cooking skills come from? Are they from your childhood?

E: My mother grew up on a farm, so she brought that into the household, and 90% of our meals were home cooked. But she’s a very traditional cook. Do you remember the Super Cook series?

My mum had those books. So we used to have a lot of traditional food and things like that. My parents were very much about sitting around the table and eating together as much as possible. My dad’s side is Polish, so sauerkraut was something I grew up with. At the time, I was embarrassed about these weird jars in airing cupboards and stuff like that, and now it’s hilarious because it’s so trendy. I’m self-taught, and to be honest, it’s just that I love food. Over the pandemic, I enrolled in a Leith’s course because I wanted to learn the basic skills. But to be honest, I’d written two books before I did that, and all the recipes in my books, every grain of salt, everything in there is mine.

It’s something that I’m passionate about, and it’s lovely to hear that, because most of the feedback I get is just, ‘Can you just make more recipes?’ Because I’m self-taught, the recipes are not complicated. There is obviously a nod towards health, and using ingredients that are, I don’t want to use the word healthier, but more nutrient dense, and more towards specific supporting our gut health and things like that. There are pastas in there, but I talk about the difference between pastas, using double zero flour and things like that, and also mixing it up with lots of plants in the diet.

Of course, there’s a place for all those foods. I think the best way to reconnect with our food and our gut is to cook our food and be involved in that process. I think a lot of people have started to during the pandemic. That has been the one positive thing, hasn’t it?

A: Yes, I’ve just started growing my own vegetables.

E: I saw that, wasn’t it a cucumber that you grew?

A: I have grown a courgette and a cucumber. Even that simple process of planting something in the ground, seeing it grow and seeing it bring forth its fruit, I’m just amazed at this. I grew up in a farming crazy environment. So it was around us, but throughout our lives, the fast-paced, the eating out, and the plastic packets of things in our fridge have been the norm for most of us for so many years now. For me, growing these, I’m having a renewed respect for the effort involved. I go to the supermarket or the local fruit and veg shop, and it’s just there on display and I know the effort.

It’s taken me just to grow one of these things, and I know there’s interest in food and cooking with The Bake Off and things like that, but there’s probably a gap in the generations of the passing down of cooking skills that future generations are going back to.

They’re going back to cooking from raw materials, rather than ordering something on Deliveroo or whatever it might be, because that’s definitely an easy thing to do. But I don’t think that side of life is helping our health and our younger and future generations either.

E: Yes, like you said, it’s the fast, quick, easy thing. I live in the real world, and I live in London, so I totally get why people will do that. But I get clients saying to me, ‘I don’t have time to cook.’ I do question that, because surely everyone has 30 minutes to cook. What are you doing, scrolling on various social media platforms, that actually make you feel really shit about yourself? Whereas you could have done something where you were actually nourishing yourself on so many levels.

Coming back to the pandemic and people having to cook at home a lot more, I think they actually realised what was in their food. Those preservatives, those emulsifiers, those artificial sweeteners, there’s known data now on that. So, if you are having a lot of that stuff, it’s not going to make you feel good. Then you’re saying, ‘I feel bloated, and my gut doesn’t work properly.’ Well, that’s something to look at. I’m also a realist, but I do question that, ‘I don’t have time,’ thing.

A: I would love for you to share for a moment that gut-skin connection and that gut-mind connection.

E: Yes, sure. The gut microbiome, generally, is all the trillions of microbes that live in and on us, and the largest one of those is in the gut. The second largest one is in on the skin. While we know a lot about the gut microbiome, to the point where it’s considered an organ, we’re still not clued up about what the microbiome and skin do. We know that it protects us, has an immune effect, and the link between the two is mostly from the gut microbiome communicating with the skin microbiome. As the research is developing, they’re noticing that the skin microbiome also produces chemicals that talk back to the immune system.

It is a fascinating field that’s massively developing. There are a few ways that the gut and the skin communicate; one is predominantly through the immune system. Using the chemicals and substances that our microbes in our gut produce, and the other connection is through this gut brain, skin axis.

So when we have heightened stress, that can then form psychological stress, which impacts on our gut, which then impacts on our skin. So there is also a three-way thing going on. I’m sure in your practice, you’ll see that psychological stress is one of the biggest triggers for skin conditions, but there’s still no clear indication about how that happens.

Of course, if we have heightened amounts of cortisol, the major stress hormone, which will create heightened amounts of inflammation when it’s chronic, not when it’s acute. But then there is that secondary impact of that stress on our gut. Our gut manages inflammation and produces chemicals that communicate via the immune system to the skin. So many of these skin conditions, even things like acne, are linked to that. But certainly skin conditions like psoriasis and rosacea, there are massive links between that and gut health, because those are autoimmune in nature. 70 to 80% of our immune system is located and managed in our gut, largely by the microbiome. So we need to think about our gut in relation to a lot of these skin conditions.

A: I think that’s another gap where a medical dermatologist doesn’t always consider that. Sometimes you might get that, but more often than not, they don’t. I see a lot of clients in my practice, for instance with rosacea and psoriasis, and often also have coexisting gut symptoms. 

E: It’s a really fascinating topic, of which there’s so much more to dig into. I have put some posts on my Instagram as an introduction to this whole gut-skin link.

A: Great. I think the mind connection to skin and gut is fascinating, and I often explain it in the simplest of terms. For example, if I said to you now, ‘Oh my goodness, Eve, I can see your boobs,’ you might be embarrassed, and without thinking about it, within that microsecond you’ve flushed. That’s an emotional response. That’s showing on the skin in that microsecond, and it’s the same with the gut. Most of us will have experienced this, we get some bad news, and within that second, we can feel our stomach flip. That’s an emotional response, that I think many of us can recognise, and see that it’s all so closely connected. I’d love to ask you, are there any healthy foods that you really don’t like? 

E: I’m not a fan of kale. I don’t really, I don’t get the PR around kale. I did make this loaf, which is actually on my website, and I like it. It’s an almond based loaf, and I made it because I was doing a keto challenge on our podcast. I’m also not a fan of Keto, but I needed some options. It would be good for people with, for example, Coeliac disease, who want a grain-free loaf. So in that, I actually quite like it, but I don’t get the chowing down on kale.

A: I’m with you, it’s like who started it? Maybe it was the kale farmers who were like, ‘Right, we need to get some PR on this, and suddenly sell it as a super food.’ You mentioned Keto, Keto is everywhere. Middle aged and menopausal women are being sold this as a way to lose that weight they’re struggling with. I’d love to get your thoughts on it.

E: I think that for a start, the word diet should be scrapped from nutrition, because all I see is a toxic association with that, and this is just another fad. In the eighties, it was low fat, and then it was the high protein diet.

So there’ll always be diets. Essentially, any diet will work for a short time, because by nature you’re restricting something. The Keto diet was actually developed clinically to help people with epilepsy, and it has many clinical data behind that. It is super low-carb, I think it’s something 5% total calories from carbohydrates. The keto diets being bandied around on the internet are much more extreme than that. When companies, marketed products, and a lot of the things on the internet are talking about when they say Keto, what they’re really talking about is very low carbohydrate.

There isn’t actually a lot of scientific data around it, to be honest with you.  I don’t know if there are studies and research specifically around menopausal women, but I think it may help with insulin sensitivity, which can be exacerbated during menopause, so there might be a link there. I don’t think that just doing a keto diet is the way forward. There are many things that happen in menopause. I’m a big fan of women exploring things like HRT, for instance, because it can be absolutely fricking game changing. I don’t think that just doing one thing will be the solve-all, and certainly not the keto diet.

I do feel like it’s getting a lot of press now, and my concern with it, as a gut health specialist who knows the way to a healthier, more diverse gut microbiome. We need to be really focused on that during menopause, because there is some data around a shift in the gut microbiome when women transition into menopause, and we need as much diversity in our plant foods as possible. So I’d be a bit wary about that stuff, to be honest.

A: I’ve swayed onto TikTok, and there are lots of ‘experts,’ sharing advice. One cropped up as I was scrolling, and it was a middle-aged female, who seemed educated and well spoken. She talked about how, as women, we don’t get enough protein in our diet, and those two eggs in the morning are not enough.

So she recommended and advocated for eggs every morning to get your protein levels up. Firstly, I’d love to get your thoughts on that. Then secondly, are there any crazy fads in nutrition that you’ve seen while scrolling and thought, ‘What the hell is that person talking about?’

E: Most of it, to be honest with you. So, definitely don’t get your advice from Instagram or Google, because, at the end of the day, people have their own agendas here. There are also other excellent protein sources. I’m all about diversity, so I don’t necessarily think you should focus on eggs. Eggs are amazing, but not if you’ve got an intolerance or allergy.

So there’s that to consider, but you also need diversity in the diet. A bold statement like that will not be relevant for everybody.

A:I was also thinking, I don’t think I’d ever go to the toilet again if I had four eggs every day.

E: I do think sometimes there is an obsession with not having enough protein in our diet too. There are many of those protein powders on the market, and things like that. It’s a big business. But, if you are a bit more mindful with your food, and not necessarily always eggs, but you can normally meet your protein needs even if you’re on a plant-based diet.

I think that’s another misconception. You need to plan it a bit more. And I’m not exclusively plant based, but I think sometimes that protein thing is just a bit over egged. Pardon the pun.

A: Well done. So Eve, let’s talk about skin.

You came in a couple of weeks ago, and we did a skin needling treatment on you, which was for your podcast. As we chatted about skin, you were quite open about the fact that it’s not been a top priority for you to date. So firstly, how do you feel about the aging process?

E: I have incredible role models in my life in terms of aging. The first person is my mother. My mum grabs life, even though we’ve had some challenging times. Particularly the tragic loss in our family, about four years ago, when I lost my younger brother. Even through that, she still has such a positive outlook on life. She doesn’t let her age hold her back.

Also, her language around herself is positive, which I find really refreshing. She backs herself. I’ve never heard her say anything like, ‘Oh, look at these wrinkles,’ or, ‘This isn’t right,’ or ‘That’s not right.’ She’s just not like that as a human. So I feel like I’ve got that.

Then, second to her, is my nan, my dad’s mother. She embodied fun; she was laughing all the time and so positive. So I think I’ve always had that, and not seen age as a hindrance.

My mum, to be fair, has got incredible skin, and I was lucky enough to inherit that. However, I think it means that, like you said, I never really prioritise it. I’m a bit of a slut in terms of products. I’ll just move around different products. It depends, because maybe I’ll get sent a few, and that’s a nice perk of being in this sort of industry. I never really prioritise it, because I’ve never had any ‘issues,’ with it.

That changed about six months ago. We talked about this, that people say, ‘When you get to 40, that’s it, everything drops, and all these wrinkles start.’ And I was not necessarily noticing that. Like I said, it’s not something that, growing up or in my immediate experience, has been a problem anyway. But I turned 43, and then I just noticed that I started to get dark circles around the eyes and things like that.

I probably should have thought about this sooner but listening to your incredible expertise and using things like the micro-needling and stuff like that provide a more natural way to support the aging process. But like nutrition, we need to start talking about it from a positive perspective. That’s why I’m pleased to see more of a conversation around perimenopause and menopause that isn’t like, ‘That’s it now.’

A: From the products you’ve tried, have you got any that you’d class as a desert island product? Is there that one you love using, or love how it makes your skin feel, that you can recall? 

E: Gosh, that is a hard question, because, as I said, I’m a bit of a slut with this stuff. I move around them quite a bit. I’m a big fan of fragrance. That’s not really skincare per se.

A: No, I love that though, because I’m a fragrance collector. I love fragrance and what it does to your mood. I might love one of mine, but some days you pick it and go, ‘Nope, that’s not me today,’ and you pick up another go, ‘Okay, this is what I’m feeling today.’ So if you’ve got a fragrance, I’d love to hear that.

E: Yes, so it is a friend of mine called Timothy Han. I’m not just saying this because he’s my friend, but his fragrances are absolutely beautiful. They are naturally based, and every fragrance has a story behind it, based on a novel. They come in these beautiful boxes. So I love Timothy’s Fragrances.

I am also a big fan of Annee De Mamiel’s products, and when you say desert island, I honestly take the Altitude Oil wherever I go. It’s amazing if you’re going on flights or if you’ve got a cold, I love it. So it’d probably be one of Annie’s products.

A: Okay. Nice. I love that. I think with fragrance, you need to test it on skin, because I guess it is our pheromones and our natural bacteria that are making it do its thing for us. I always put it on clothing, because I see a lot of pigment issues crop up, from people wearing fragrance on their necks and decolletage, being out in the sun and getting pigment damage.

Is there a time in your life, or perhaps, a situation in your life that you can think back to when you felt your most beautiful?

E: I honestly can’t. If you get dressed up and make an effort and things like that, then you might feel you look better, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m feeling on the inside, like I look on the outside.

A: Do you feel beautiful?

E: I feel most beautiful when I’m relaxed. I have a great group of friends and a lovely family, and I think they bring out my beauty in a way that no makeup, hair styling or clothes could. That sounds like a bit of a strange answer, but that’s when I feel at my most beautiful.

A: I love that. That’s beautiful, it absolutely is. I think people’s view on beauty is actually a very individual thing, and for some people it might be that confidence or happiness. That’s lovely what you’ve just shared. Thank you for that. So, you’ve got books out, what’s next for Eve?

E: Well, I’ve got my podcast, which is the Wellness Breakdown with Rosemary Ferguson. We are just coming to the end of the second season, but we’re already planning another two seasons. So as you would know, podcasting takes a lot of time, and I love it. It’s brilliant, because our podcast is focused on taking these health trends, some that we’ve talked about here, and protesting them. We put ourselves through these challenges, and then come back and discuss whether they’re worth it. So it’s quite topical, given what we’ve been talking about. So, the podcast is a massive focus.

My clinical practice is still pivotal to my work. That’s what gets me up in the morning; being able to help people. That’s what got me into this in the first place, and I still see clients one-on-one at my private practice and over Zoom.

A: Where can people find you? On your website?

E: Yes. Thankfully, with the name Eve Kalinik, there’s not going to be many of us out there. My website is just evekalinik.com. My social media is @evekalinik. I should post more on Instagram, but there is a lot of other content on there if people want to dig in.

There are lots of recipes on the website, so plenty for them to think about their gut health journey, or their journey with nutrition and health. Hopefully there’ll be some nuggets of info there.

A: Eve, thank you so much for sharing all your, your nuggets of knowledge and bits of life story. Thank you so much for that, and yes, let’s see what the future holds.